Virtual Debate: Economy
Our second question to the candidates was:
Premise:
Fostering new businesses in Utah
and encouraging established businesses to relocate to Utah is important to a vibrant local economy, as it provides jobs and increases the tax base.
Question:
As Governor, what specific efforts will you make to create a climate that is conducive to business growth and friendly to businesses thinking of relocating?
Are you in favor of the recently created Fund of Funds?
Do you favor tax breaks for businesses relocating to Utah?
How can job growth be encouraged in areas outside the Wasatch Front?
Lawrence Rey Topham (Personal Choice Party)
Rebuttle to second question answers posted April 19, 2004 A.D.
In analysing and evaluating the responses to the second question posed by BY U's Vrtual Debate forum of candidates in which only five (5) candidates offered their views on the questions, none of them made references to Utah Constitution's limitation of legislative powers, regarding legislation favoring businesses with private or special legislation, though Richard Mack (Libertarian Party Candidate) and Dr. Ken Larsen (Personal Choice Party Candidate) both made general references to unconstitutional legislation favoring new businesses being lured to Utah by more favorable legislation than other businesses in Utah are offered.
Nolan Karras, Marty Stephens and Olene Walker (Republicans) each gave accomadating responses but did not make what I believe to be constituti0nal answers concerning the economy or economic develoment of Utah.
1. In order to provide a good environment for ecomonic development we must have a constitutional government in Utah. Each person elected or appointed to any public office in Utah is required by the Utah Constitution to 1) Take the required oath of office in the prescribed manner administered by a person authorized by law,., 2) Subscribe the required oath of office certificate or record before an authorized administrator, and 3. File the required oath of office with the state or local official prescribed by law to file the oath of office certificates.
2. Without doing these three things, a person cannot constitutionally or legally hold office and therefore are without power to legislate, execute or judge any laws in the State of Utah, or any political subdivision therein.
3. Frequent recurance to fundamental principles is necessary for the preservation of a free government.
4. Utah Constitution provides at Article VI, Sec. 31. [Lending public credit forbidden.] The Legislature shall not authorize the State, or any county, city, town, township, district or other political subdivision of the State to lend its credit or subscribe to stock or bonds in aid of any railroad, telegraph or other private individual or corporate enterprise or undertaking.
5. Departure from that fundamental principle has brought about unfair competition in Utah. If properly followedby those taking, subscribing and filing their oaths of office as required by the U.S. Constitution, Article VI; 1 Stat. 23; Utah Constitution, Article 4, Section 10; and Utah Code Annotated, 1953, sections
52-1-2, "The oaths of all state officials shall be filed with the secretary of state.
52-2-1 "
76-8-203 Utah Code Annotated, 1953, as amended through 1974. 76-8-203. Unofficial misconduct.
(1) A person is guilty of unofficial misconduct if he exercises or attempts to exercise any of the functions of a public office when:
(a) he has not taken and filed the required oath of office;
[(b) he has failed to execute and file the required bond;
(c) he has not been elected or appointed to office;
(d) he exercises any of the functions of his office after his term has expired and the successor has been elected or appointed and has qualified, or after his office has been legally removed; or
(e) he knowingly withholds or retains from his successor in office or other person entitled to the official seal or any records, papers, documents, or other writings appertaining or belonging to his office or mutilates or destroys or takes away the same.]
(2) Unofficial misconduct is a class B misdemeanor.
Sec. 9. [Elections, when held. Terms begin, when.] All general elections, except for municipal and school officers, shall be held on the Tuesday next following the first Monday in November of the year in which the election is held. Special elections may be held as provided by law. The terms of all officers elected at any general election, shall commence on the first Monday in January next following the date of their election. Municipal and School officers shall be elected at such time as may be provided by law.
Sec. 10. [Oath of office.] All officers made elective or appointive by this Constitution or by the laws made in pursuance thereof, before entering upon the duties of their respective offices, shall take and subscribe the following oath or affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, obey and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this State, and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity."
As Governor I have and will continue to work for Constitutional Government in Utah amd to create an eviroment conducive to the objectives of your second question.
None of the other candidates referred to the present Utah Constitution
provision in Titles: V and VI: which relate to V. Separation of Powers and VI. Legislative powers referred to above.
Second Question:
As Governor, what specific efforts will you make to create a climate that is conducive to business growth and friendly to businesses thinking of relocating?
What is shown above.
Are you in favor of the recently created Fund of Funds? No!
Do you favor tax breaks for businesses relocating to Utah? No!
How can job growth be encouraged in areas outside the Wasatch Front?
By organization of constitutional government throughout the State of Utah and begin to function with gold and silver Coin as required by U.S. Constitution Article I, section 10: "No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in payment of debts." Otherwise all economis forces are on the side of destruction not on building a sound economy.
Respectfully,
Lawrence Rey Topham
Secretary of State
State of Utah
Posted by: aw rey Topham at April 22, 2004 09:01 PM Begin answer to question # 3
QUESTION #3
Statistics show our state government has grown dramatically over the
past decade, yet we find ourselves short on necessary items, including
money for roads, water, and education. Some citizens feel Utah has
overextended itself by using bonds to balance the state budget. Do you
agree with these sentiments? As governor, what would you propose to
implement cutbacks and promote efficiency? Are there specific programs
which should be cut? Which are underfunded?
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QUESTION #3
Premise:
Part 1. Statistics show our state government has grown dramatically over the
past decade, yet we find ourselves short on necessary items, including
money for roads, water, and education.
Premise:
Part 2.
Some citizens feel Utah has overextended itself by using bonds to balance the state budget.
Four Part Question #3
Part 1. Do you agree with these sentiments? Perhaps, but first, address the "Statistics" that show our government has grown dramatically over the past decade.
Budget Summaries for Fiscal 1991-2004 show:
Budget 1988-1989 as reported: 2,964,539,600 (2.965 Billion)
Budget 1989-1990 as reported: 3,190,904,100 (3.191 Billion)
Budget 1990-1991 as reported: 3,443,963.100 (3.444 Billion)
Budget 1991-1992 as reported: 3,749,932,700 (3.750 Billion)
Budget 1992-1993 as reported: 3,966,733,100 (3.967 Billion)
Budget 1993-1994 as reported: 4,311,123,700 (4.311 Billion)
Budget 1994-1995 as reported: 4,642,366,000 (4.642 Billion)
Budget 1995-1996 as reported: 4,966,891,900 (4.967 Billion)
Budget 1996-1997 as reported: 5,477,472,300 (5.477 Billion)
Budget 1997-1998 as reported: 5,721,248,950 (5.721 Billion)
Budget 1998-1999 as reported: 6,116,822,100 (6.117 Billion)
Budget 1999-2000 as reported: 6,395,498,200 (6.395 Billion)
Budget 2000-2001 as reported: 6,915,373,300 (6.915 Billion)
Budget 2001-2002 as reported: 7,318,690,700 (7.319 Billion)
Budget 2002-2003 as reported: 7,223,428,380 (7.272 Billion)
Rev'ed 2003-2004 as reported: 7,727,212,611 (7.727 Billion)
Appr'd 2004-2005 as reported: 8,267,367,088 (8.267 Billion)
This shows an increase in State spending of 5.305 billion in just 17 years, or an increase of 279 percent. Stated another way we were spending only 35.9 percent of what we are scheduled to spend next year in fiscal year 2005 A.D.
The Utah Foundation reports "the state's general obligation debt grew from $367 million in 1990 to $1.7 billion in 2003. " according to the Associated Press.
"It said the percentage of the state's budget needed to repay debt has gone from 1.48 percent of total state spending to 2.82 percent" according to the Associated Press, who also reported "in 1998, lawmakers approved a $660 million bond to rebuild 15 miles of Interstate 15."
The current percent of the State's bond limit stands at about 66%, if what the Utah Foundation and the Associated Press reported is correct.
This resort to increasing the debt is doubly dangerous, and threatens Utah's ability to survive a real estate market crash. It has happened before, and it will happen again as inflation turns to deflation, perhaps, after going hyper-inflation. Utah is at its most dangerous financial situation with everything financed with irredeemable paper, irredeemable cupra-nickel coins, and irredeemable bank credit. The people exercising the functions of public office for the last forty years have deceptively placed the people of Utah and the United States in extreme financial straits.
By violating Article I, Section 10, of the Constitution of the United States, Utah with all other States, and the United States, are in serious jeopardy of a total financial collapse since none of the so called "public officials" actually pay any debts. They just keep circulation debt instruments than cannot be redeemed in lawful money of the United States. The problem was experienced, evaluated, and remedied by the Founding Fathers, who on September 17, 1787 A.D., approved The Constitution for the United States of America, which was ratified and became the supreme Law of the Land. But those living today have dishonored the founders by rejecting that remedy and violating thieir oaths of office, either by not taking, subscribing and filing them, or by breaking them.
Only gold and silver Coin are authorized by the Consitution, and without them no debt can lawfully or constitutionally be paid. The unfunded national debt now stands at 7.16 trillion, and I can't say in dollars because no dollars are now involved, only fiat notes and false coins and fictitious bank credit not supported by any Thing of substance, and certainly not with gold and silver Coin.
If Utah fails to pay its debts, it is because the leaders chose not to pay them.
Part 2. As governor, what would you propose to implement cutbacks and promote efficiency?
Yes, and stop all false "money" from circulating in Utah as I have advocated since the United States Grand Jury indicted the Federal Reserve Bank in this District, the San Francisco District, twice. First, on February 16, 1982 A.D., with a unanimous vote of 18 for, and 0 against. Second, on July 7, 1982 A.D., with a vote of 16 for, and 4 against. Only twelve votes are needed. The U.S. Attorney said it never happened, but it did, and I provided much of the evidence to the grand jury. Since then the national debt, as falsely reported, has gone from about 1 Trillion to well over 7.15 trillion. The false reporting is based on the fact that those in the treasury account for liabilities as if they are assets, when they cease to have any value, under conflict of contracts law, when held by the treasury, who will not redeem the notes and neither will the Federal Reserve Banks, when both are required by law to redeem them in gold and silver coin. Otherwise the securities of the Federal Reserve Banks and those of the United States are falsely made securities issued and circulated in violation of 18 U.S.C.A. 4, 8, 331, 332, 334, 371, 471, 472, 473, 891, 892, 893, 894, 1341, 1342, 1343, 1961, 1962, 1963, 2381, 2382, 2384, 2385, 2386, 2387, 2388, 2389, and 2390.
This is, according to H. Verlan Andersen, "one of the greatest threats to freedom that exists on earth." Found in "The Constitution and the Book of Mormon".
Part 3. Are there specific programs which should be cut? Yes! Most definately.
Part 4. Which are underfunded? All of them! None are funded with lawful money of the United States nor with gold and silver coin of other nations regulated to the standard of value for United States gold and silver Coin.
Congress has relinquicshed its responsibilty to private bankers who care not for the integrity of the governments, state or federal, or for the welfare of the people.
Repentant political leaders and people in Utah and the United States are the only means to resolve the matter and save and restore the Utah Constitution to its rightful place in our lives. under the Constitution of the United States of America, with gold and silver coin as America's Hope, according to Ezra Taft Benson in his book "This Nation Shall Endure. "It is our duty to concentrate all of our influence to make popular that which is sound and good, and unpopular that which is unsound." Jospeh Smith, Jr., in relation to gold and silver Coin as the only Tender in Payment of Debts.
Utah's budget in lawful money of the United States is presently $0.00. That is why it is time to "awake to a sence of our awful situation", as Moroni warned, so that our nation, The United States of America, will not suffer the fate of the Jaredites and the Nephites.
Respectfully,
Lawrence Rey Topham
Secretary of State
State of Utah. and
Candidate for Governor
Personal Choice Party
Posted by: Lawrence Rey Topham at April 23, 2004 08:32 PM
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